diff --git a/octavia/files/queens/octavia_api.conf b/octavia/files/queens/octavia_api.conf
index da6465f..c35c7bc 100644
--- a/octavia/files/queens/octavia_api.conf
+++ b/octavia/files/queens/octavia_api.conf
@@ -808,6 +808,7 @@
 auth_url=http://{{ api.identity.host }}:35357
 
 {%- set _data = api.identity %}
+{%- if 'cacert_file' not in _data.keys() %}{% do _data.update({'cacert_file': api.cacert_file}) %}{% endif %}
 {%- set auth_type = _data.get('auth_type', 'password') %}
 {%- include "oslo_templates/files/queens/keystonemiddleware/_auth_token.conf" %}
 {%- include "oslo_templates/files/queens/keystoneauth/_type_" + auth_type + ".conf" %}
diff --git a/octavia/files/queens/octavia_manager.conf b/octavia/files/queens/octavia_manager.conf
index 349270e..c080bc6 100644
--- a/octavia/files/queens/octavia_manager.conf
+++ b/octavia/files/queens/octavia_manager.conf
@@ -854,6 +854,7 @@
 auth_url=http://{{ manager.identity.host }}:35357
 
 {%- set _data = manager.identity %}
+{%- if 'cacert_file' not in _data.keys() %}{% do _data.update({'cacert_file': manager.cacert_file}) %}{% endif %}
 {%- set auth_type = _data.get('auth_type', 'password') %}
 {%- include "oslo_templates/files/queens/keystonemiddleware/_auth_token.conf" %}
 {%- include "oslo_templates/files/queens/keystoneauth/_type_" + auth_type + ".conf" %}
diff --git a/octavia/map.jinja b/octavia/map.jinja
index 6d72326..fd83957 100644
--- a/octavia/map.jinja
+++ b/octavia/map.jinja
@@ -1,4 +1,14 @@
+{%- set default_params = {
+    'cacert_file': salt['grains.filter_by']({
+        'Debian': '/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt',
+        'RedHat': '/etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt'
+    }),
+    'enabled': false }
+%}
+
+
 {% set api = salt['grains.filter_by']({
+    'BaseDefaults': default_params,
     'Debian': {
         'pkgs': ['octavia-common', 'octavia-api'],
         'services': ['octavia-api'],
@@ -17,9 +27,10 @@
           'enabled': false
         }
     },
-}, merge=pillar.octavia.get('api', {})) %}
+}, merge=pillar.octavia.get('api', {}), base='BaseDefaults') %}
 
 {% set manager = salt['grains.filter_by']({
+    'BaseDefaults': default_params,
     'Debian': {
         'pkgs': ['octavia-common', 'octavia-worker', 'octavia-housekeeping',
                  'octavia-health-manager', 'iptables-persistent'],
@@ -46,7 +57,7 @@
           'enabled': false
         }
     },
-}, merge=pillar.octavia.get('manager', {})) %}
+}, merge=pillar.octavia.get('manager', {}), base='BaseDefaults') %}
 
 {% set monitoring = salt['grains.filter_by']({
     'default': {